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Duncan Tanner
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:03:00 -
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Perhaps you should have answered our multiple petitions and e-mails asking whether we were allowed to test together before we even started testing?
Will Goons and TEST also be disqualified because they also test together and are blue to each other?
Will the multiple other teams that test against each other on SiSi also be banned?
Please help me out here. Thanks.
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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:36:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:I found your mistake Garmon!
"Of course we will get everyone in one corp for the training in Sisi because of the logistical nightmare it is."
that's not a very "seperate teams" kinda thing to do
nobody to blame but yourself really
Good job quoting out of context. Still mad about getting outplayed for your Adrestia I see.
Any training done in a wormhole requires everyone to be in the same corporation for using the hangers. All of PL is in one corp on SiSi all of Darkside is in one corp on SiSi.
However you miss the point entirely where we ASKED if we could do this BEFORE we did it and they said NOTHING apart from the GM who said that we could do it.
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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:48:00 -
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Understand that testing in regular space is different than testing in a wormhole. Explain to me how you can test with two teams in a wormhole?
Are you seriously arguing that we should've had two corps in the wormhole with two pos and two sets of everything as proof of being separate?
That we tested together isn't even the issue. The issue is that we asked for clarification and outlined our full intentions before we did ANYTHING and received no response until now.
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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:24:00 -
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@ Grath/Tyyrax/Raivi
Any two teams that test against each other regularly will know the exact setups of the other team anyway. Setting up two POS in the same wormhole is going to prevent this somehow?
Why test against each other to begin with? Unlike you or Darkside we are both actually small alliances (the same types of alliances that Sreegs claims he is championing) and we do not have enough to do full tests as separate groups.
If CCP had said you cannot test like this when we asked we could've joined into a single group or come to some other arrangement. The fact is that they did not communicate anything with us even though we approached them multiple. The only official communication in fact said we could test like this.
All of this is very clearly outlined in Garmon's post or can be easily infered from it. However, I guess the prospect of not having to worry about us is too appealing for you.
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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:30:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:No believe it or not I prefer a better tournament, which it obviously would be with you in it. (assuming we didn't have a repeat of last year's finals anyway)
However you're wrong about them saying you could test "like this", a senior GM said you could test against each other, nobody said that you could in effect be the same team right up until tourney starts.
Please address this point then:
Duncan Tanner wrote:Any two teams that test against each other regularly will know the exact setups of the other team anyway. Setting up two POS in the same wormhole is going to prevent this somehow?
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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:34:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
No I think you should be in the tourney, but you were trying to be greasy and got caught, and I'm not going to let you just 'oops' your way out of it.
I would have loved to see you fight us in the tourney, you are one of the teams that challenge the field, but you should have just done that instead of trying to game the system AGAIN in the exact same way after being told you couldn't from the start.
I don't like to see you get **** on, believe it or not I was pretty happy with last years outcome, nobody told you that you couldn't do what you did and you gamed the system and won.
Only this year they put in a thing to stop you from doing that, and you HAD to try and do it anyway.
Now the rest of us have to suffer a lesser tournament because you couldn't just do it right.
I don't seeing being completely open with them in our communication and outlining our full intentions as being greasy. A simple "no you can't practice like this" could've avoided all of this.
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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:41:00 -
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Raivi wrote:
If you want to compete against each other you'd keep at least some setups in reserve for when you face each other.
There's a big difference between two teams that "test with each other on Singularity for times when more numbers are needed." and teams sharing 100% of their ships and setups and relying on each other for logistics.
If you had asked the GM if you could 100% unify your testing, logistics and theorycrafting, I have a feeling he would have given a different answer.
How can you claim to know how much we've shared with each other and what we haven't discussed with each other unless you are in the leadership of either group (which is actually separate this year).
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